Undead Still Seems too Strong

This thread is still about Undead and I hope the solution has been decided on by the devs and swiftly worked on to be implemented. I would like to defend the dwarven HI here. I am in no way saying that dwarven HI aren't OP but it's because all our other units are underpowered. Our cav are the slowest. 10 HP and about 70 more ap then the dwarven HI. Our LI and LIA are nothing special either. With their slow reaction and about the same stats as other races if not lower. As for artillery that seems relatively the same between races. Anyway this thread is about Undead and if you feel dwarven HI are too OP then that is for another thread in the forum.

Of course dwarven HI is OP, but I dont see any need for nerfing them, cause dwarves as a race seem pretty balanced to me.
My understanding is that the UD nerf is now the top priority of the Devs, cause they want to implement the prestige system along with PvP vs AI. As long as the races are so imbalanced they don't feel free to do so.
This might be still all about UD, but I sense once UD is nerfed it will become quite obvious that there are some other races in need of some love as well for the sake of balancing the game. Cause for t1 elves are almost as OP as UD. And in general I see 3 races that need some buffing.
Humans probably need a little buff. (Not exactly sure, cause human arti in combination with archers and some well geared melee can be devasting when handled well, but now that the map is bigger easier to counter)
DL needs a little buff. (decrease of AP values, especially for their HI)
Orcs probably need the biggest buff of all. (Not sure what to do, I think their HI judging by the size of it should be as OP as dwarven HI)

I haven't personally played these races, but from my vast experience in PvE and PvP I can savely assume, that those races are the weakest. I think after the devs are done with nerfing UD we will need another thread for game balance. I don't think we are quite there yet.

Claud's post seems bang on to me.  Having played humans on Erevos, I think they do need some love.  The 60 base morale of their units is a killer early on, and the stats of their units really do not justify this terrible base morale.  They are outclassed by their dwarven and elven counterparts, and their HI have one of the worst abilities in the game.

The Dwarven HI bonus is permanent and always on.  Dwarven HI simply get +30 armor at all times.  I think the dark side needs something comparable.

Let's compare the Dwarven HI bonus to the orc HI bonus.  The orc bonus has a probability of giving +30 strength and -15 armor.  Not only does the +30 strength come with a negative, but it only has a probability of triggering.  The dwarven bonus has no downside and no probability involved, it is simply always there.  Why is that?

What can I say about the DL?  Lesser Demons need some love.  They are hands down the worst light infantry in the game. Their bonus helps them fight elves, but is completely useless against every other race.  They also have terrible human-level morale.  To add insult to injury their reaction speed is 10.  Why?!

Every DL that I have seen that is not a newbie simply uses Dolophons instead of Lesser Demons.  They really are that bad.

Scaren wrote:

I am in no way saying that dwarven HI aren't OP but it's because all our other units are underpowered. Our cav are the slowest. 10 HP and about 70 more ap then the dwarven HI. Our LI and LIA are nothing special either. With their slow reaction and about the same stats as other races if not lower.

It's true that dwarven cavalry are terrible, but that doesn't matter much for PvP as few people bring cavalry to PvP anyway.  Cavalry might work well on the AI, but a human player can block your cavalry with infantry.

Dwarven LI and LIA are decent.  They might not be the best, but they're certainly not the worst.  They're superior to the infantry of some other races, like the DL.  I'll bet they don't flee nearly as much as human infantry either.

I agree that other races need some balancing as well.

As far as humans are concerned that recent update on their infantry's skill should help with their morale issues early on. Their Hi's skill is horrible... nothing more to add on that.

Now DL... (not CL ) Their LI's stats are atrocious. But notice how you say that dwarven LI are ok. But they have the same skill as Lesser Demons! Only dwarven one is vs orcs. Which shows that it's not the skill to blame but it's the stats imo.

Orcs - When they have the right setup in suicide they really hurt. Only thing I can think for them is maybe tweaking their reactions.

DL is what I meant... too much warhammer for me.  I see demons and think chaos, lol.

I agree that the dwarven LI racial ability is terrible, but I'd much rather have them than DL LI.  Dwarven LI have better reaction and morale.  They're definitely not the worst LI, and dwarves can elect to use HI + LIA if they want instead which is way, way stronger than DL HI + LI or DL HI + LIA.

News about the nerf? With the new rules of MOBA the UD seems even better than before for me (and I play only from one month)...

The nerf is definitely coming. That has been stated on various occasions by the devs. When? Some time "soon" .