New Stat Caps Poll

...2 speed really isnt an much of an advantage -_- I thought you said 'lots of speed'?  

Being able to own an enemy once engaged is, however quite handy.  

My cav aren't faster than ANY of the Darkies...so my speed 'advantage' lies purely in LI and LA...and as I pointed out, it is only 2 speed. So i'm supposed to use my slightly faster LI to flank and support my weak HI/cav? Maybe use my specialty unit, archers, to put arrows into my own flimsy troops as well?  

Stuck with a race that's 'advantage' lies in its base units.   Nice.

Dobraine wrote:

Hehe, maybe i'll use my speed to run away since his cav obliterated mine before my LI had a chance to flank.

Oh yeah, and in the match where I reared his cav with some LA, his cav simply killed all the units. Speed doesn't mean much once you're engaged.

This remains, as always, one of my main points of conversation concerning PVPs as an Elf... being fast (with only 1/2 of my units) doesn't equate to actually being capable of facing an army with significantly higher abilities. Now, maybe *MAYBE* if my archers were faster... not to mention my HI, LI, LIA, and (presumably) Cav... but I'm doubting that will ever be the case. As I've said before, Elven HI cannot face any other HI in PVP battle. Case in point, I've taken 3 HI against a single HI (and LI) and flanked the HI on both sides (the enemy LI also flanked one of my flanking HI, but that shouldn't make too much of a difference) only to watch all three of my HI units melt under the pressure of the enemy's invincible HI and LI, both of which barely took any damage. I know there's level differences and gear differences (his units outnumbered my GL count 2 to 1) but still, an HI and LI taking out 3 HI without any difficulty???

Dobraine wrote:

...2 speed really isnt an much of an advantage -_- I thought you said 'lots of speed'? Mad

It is, if you use it wisely... No unit will be able to catch you, unless it is a cavalry.. I don't want to present "tactics", so think what you have in your disposal..This is not a head to head battle system...Think tactically..the abilities of your unit(s)...Stop the enemy where you want him... (hint)

Realf Lantow wrote:

Elven HI cannot face any other HI in PVP battle.

I have to disagree...In fact, Elves HI has around 0.5%-1% higher victory rate in 100.000 battles (simulation with both starting stats and capped stats) against ALL enemy races. Check your stats and gear up your HIs with items which will provide a better stat spread.

Realf Lantow wrote:

(the enemy LI also flanked one of my flanking HI, but that shouldn't make too much of a difference

It does actually. You just sustained a MOBA (Battle Morale) reduction and a Melee reduction. Depending on the status of your MOBA at that time, it could lead to shivering effects.

Realf Lantow wrote:

invincible HI and LI, both of which barely took any damage

Bad matchup in terms of stats of your HIs/Lis and your opponent's? Items? MOBA at that time?

Do not despair Realf Lantow... I've had my share of defeats...but victories as well... Learn by the experience you are gaining...and you will become a kick-ass PvPer...

If you are experiencing wins and losses it's normal as it should be, the main funny part of this game is discovering few tactics to win, this can make the difference between skill and gear, read accurately what Runeslayer said, it's pure fact that fully geared elf HI has some advantage with its reaction combined to high morale

This poll after some weeks has been going on and although it seems most people said need a few changes devs have ignored their own poll. Yet again a poll ignored  by the devs please don't even have use vote if it doesn't matter.

Scaren wrote:

This poll after some weeks has been going on and although it seems most people said need a few changes devs have ignored their own poll. Yet again a poll ignored  by the devs please don't even have use vote if it doesn't matter.

You have to figure in "Very good" and "good" which add up to 17 versus 18 who think it could use some change. However they did change it a bit since the start of the poll, including some minor adjustment of orc and major adjustment of DL after figuring in some more things. Honestly this poll isn't really relevant anymore. A new one would have to be made to be relevant.

Bobba wrote:

Scaren wrote:

This poll after some weeks has been going on and although it seems most people said need a few changes devs have ignored their own poll. Yet again a poll ignored  by the devs please don't even have use vote if it doesn't matter.

You have to figure in "Very good" and "good" which add up to 17 versus 18 who think it could use some change. However they did change it a bit since the start of the poll, including some minor adjustment of orc and major adjustment of DL after figuring in some more things. Honestly this poll isn't really relevant anymore. A new one would have to be made to be relevant.

But would that new poll be listened to? besides the only changes I have seen are after they found out that they ran simulations at all 9 reaction. Considering that orc have 9 reaction would have expected to see their stats boost the most but nope. Seems like elf got the best stat boosts.

Scaren wrote:

But would that new poll be listened to? besides the only changes I have seen are after they found out that they ran simulations at all 9 reaction. Considering that orc have 9 reaction would have expected to see their stats boost the most but nope. Seems like elf got the best stat boosts.

Just remember that devs are human and things can be overlooked unless people are really bugging them about it. Seeing as this topic hasn't been posted in for ages, if I was a dev it could lead me to believe there are no real problems with balance. Honestly the only real problem I see with the balance now is of abilities. Some of them are useless or very situational (lesser demon ability) and some of them (undead/elf LI) are extremely powerful creating easy tanks out of LI, for example. I think this is the real reason undead are so "overpowered" is because their LI just don't die even though they are so cheap in AP.

I do have a question for RuneSlayer about the simulations though: do the simulations figure in abilities into the equation? Please double-check this as it is super important.

Bobba wrote:

Scaren wrote:

But would that new poll be listened to? besides the only changes I have seen are after they found out that they ran simulations at all 9 reaction. Considering that orc have 9 reaction would have expected to see their stats boost the most but nope. Seems like elf got the best stat boosts.

Just remember that devs are human and things can be overlooked unless people are really bugging them about it. Seeing as this topic hasn't been posted in for ages, if I was a dev it could lead me to believe there are no real problems with balance. Honestly the only real problem I see with the balance now is of abilities. Some of them are useless or very situational (lesser demon ability) and some of them (undead/elf LI) are extremely powerful creating easy tanks out of LI, for example. I think this is the real reason undead are so "overpowered" is because their LI just don't die even though they are so cheap in AP.

I do have a question for RuneSlayer about the simulations though: do the simulations figure in abilities into the equation? Please double-check this as it is super important.

So just to mess with you a bit Bobba I should spam forum and bug devs enough when something bothers me? :p but yes agree with your ability question and besides what's the point I have about given up on pvp anyway

this pool was for older caps. Current ones are improved.

kuba_ wrote:

this pool was for older caps. Current ones are improved.

Would like a chart on current caps and a poll with them to then.

kuba_ wrote:

this pool was for older caps. Current ones are improved.

Not to mention stats have had time to settle on the players since this poll, so opinions could have changed since then.

Bobba wrote:

kuba_ wrote:

this pool was for older caps. Current ones are improved.

Not to mention stats have had time to settle on the players since this poll, so opinions could have changed since then.

Exactly why I asked for a new chart and a new poll

I used to be able to use the items I bought to battle, now I can not. I can now only fight without use of any items.

What happened?

soulthief wrote:

I used to be able to use the items I bought to battle, now I can not. I can now only fight without use of any items.

What happened?

Necro, eh? why bring up an old (if sticky) post; especially to make a comment that has nothing to do with the post?

RuneSlayer wrote:

Then again, how do you ensure that a Goblin Archer doesn't become more lethal than an Elf Archer, or an Elf Infantry more powerful than an Orc Infantry?

From what ppl say, elf infantry IS better then ork infantry. At least, it's faster, has better morale and reaction, has +20-30% to avoid damage...while orks have a bit better toughness and +15-35 str for the first round IF they manage to charge