To merge, or not to merge....THIS is the question of life...

Tibr wrote:

From my personal pov, i can say that life on the light side became great after the server split....there was a substantial amount of snob-behaviour ppl moving over.

this, yup. from my dark perspective, i probably should want lights to come back and start annoying each other again. but meh.. some people left for bc2 to avoid each other... and as long as there's no coop mute or something, we can't totally avoid people.

Tibr wrote:

I miss few selected persons, but overall i would definitely favor the community on BC1 over BC2.

totally.

Tibr wrote:

that two servers are beneficial for the game long term

hmm.. debatable, but yea.. kinda 2 communities already..

Scaren wrote:

ysosad wrote:

I will grant that PvP behavior does seem to be different...but with such few people doing PvP I don't think that is at all indicative of the community on either server.

To be fair to PvP you don't pvp...

to be fair to pvp.. i do pvp, i know usual bc2 pvpers, even more so with test server, and tried to pvp in bc2 quite a few times. people there just find the strongest army and farm wins, you or pyr, or claud, all seem to look at pvping as something to be won at whatever cost, with kiting and such, and whoever is first inq/sniping. even in test server, where we're supposed to not stick to what works. perhaps i bullied bc1 people into using more different armies and see the fun of it, but we really rarely do that crap as opposed to finding interesting armies.. AND pvping on bc1 got more active because of it, people are trying it out finally, not being afraid to be laughed at ;p

anyway, i stopped pvping on bc2 because it's just.. not fun there. when servers merge, such different pvps would lead to frustrations, and imo this is a big issue for some people. hell, some went to bc2 just to be able to pvp more, and wanna go back 'to have more pvps', so pvping is an important factor here.

Ok so I've asked this countless times with no answer...will there be a faction switch allowed? Honestly its not that hard, but is it going to happen? Some went dark on Olympus but were previously light on Erevos and may want to go light again...

uflb999 wrote:

Ok so I've asked this countless times with no answer...will there be a faction switch allowed? Honestly its not that hard, but is it going to happen? Some went dark on Olympus but were previously light on Erevos and may want to go light again...

The devs answered no earlier.

My bad...not much for reading

If not I believe there will be a misbalance. Dark on both servers are stronger than light and we will be decimated

Tibr wrote:

From my personal pov, i can say that life on the light side became great after the server split. Suddenly all guilds cooperated and pulled on the same rope. Peace and mutual agreements united us, contrarily to the previous state where A didnt like B and C wanted D's territory.

There is actually a LOT of truth in what you say here. Lighties.... well, we blew the Darks out of the water, in the "rush to the capital" which proved that the game could be won... even though the darks all *claimed* that they were the stronger team... We really came together as a faction. And, it's partially because a lot of the people who "disagreed" with those who were staying, left. In other words, we lost the "conflict".

Tibr wrote:

Overall i cant even tie it to any type of players like extensive gemusers, eventhough there was a substantial amount of snob-behaviour ppl moving over. I miss few selected persons, but overall i would definitely favor the community on BC1 over BC2.

Well, Erevos still has a lot of "extensive gemusers"... even, perhaps, some who exclusively gem-use... I see players who don't put in CPs remain ahead of me, from the switch on... while I've been both upgrading and putting in CPs. But you're right again, there's no "single group" who is, was, or will be to blame. In fact, I would go so far as to suggest that there is no single player who was to blame.

Tibr wrote:

Come to think of it, just as olympus went live, darks started to annoy each other and fight over territories, recruit each other and shout around how much better their gems are opposed to other ppls gems. It was idiotic, i had gotten a dozen of really bad invitations "hi join us we are yay". And also some stories about broken agreements, promises etc. That moment i reallised how paradisical the life on erevos became, despite low population and all those wannabe cool kids coming to erevos and proclaiming how much superior olympos is and that everyone should quit playing erevos already as the world will go down because "every" active soul has already switched....
Funny now huh?

Unclear which server you were referencing, but I'm guessing you meant the darkies on Olympus? Still, on Erevos I did see a lot more "inner warfare" between darkies... maybe since they couldn't watch the reality TV show over on the light side anymore, they got bored and started their own reality TV!

Tibr wrote:

In general i take the side of whatever is better for the game, i think that two servers are beneficial for the game long term, but if devs and the community do not see a future there, i am fine either way. But i am one of the "no" ppl

I see what you mean (two servers being better) but, that's only if the population base expands to allow two active servers. At this point, there seems to be a major issue in that regard, and so... right now having only one server for the population base is best. And I'm one of those who said YES!

When you think im farming pvp and sucking all the fun out of it, than I'm really puzzled why im constantly entering the pvp q with less AP than my opponents, even against fellow skellies. My usual AP for t2 on bc2 880.

Twoface wrote:

If we were planning on doing the merge which depend on the votes which are leaning towards yes I am asking for the timetable,But I understand that you do not know yet but if you were doing the merge how long would it take?(By Estimation of months or days or weeks)

Once it is decided that the Community wants the merge, then there will be another poll, where we will explain how this will be done and the Community can decide whether it is against it or not.

We are already working on the new world map, which we believe you will find it interesting and an initial sketch with the new features can be posted either today or tomorrow.

The whole technical process of merging, shall probably take around 2-3 days (full development), but we believe it is worth it.

Scaren wrote:

uflb999 wrote:

Ok so I've asked this countless times with no answer...will there be a faction switch allowed? Honestly its not that hard, but is it going to happen? Some went dark on Olympus but were previously light on Erevos and may want to go light again...

The devs answered no earlier.

There were no clear answer. 'Something' will be done for that. And if nothing will be done for that, it will be about forcing people to join particular faction. Here's the quote:

RuneSlayer wrote:

tommarkc wrote:

What about that idea:
If you have 2 accs, you can pick what acc you want to pick (which race, name), but you can choose to still have units and building levels from other account (everything that fame depends on). But you keep resources from both accounts, aether and gems.
That will completely solve 2 acc problem. Why to so complicate is because some players (like me) have acc on different faction on different servers.

Some sort of remedy will definitely be devised to resolve this challenge.

There was a question what BC2 think about BC1. Well, I play on both servers.
Before talking about which is better, it is inportant to mention those things:
- BC2 was until not long time ago still a fresh server. Which means resources were a lot more needed than on BC1, where most of players had strong armies and upgraded buildings already (those who didn't got a help from guilds probably). Which means BC2 life was way more tough--> less help between players--> less friendly.
- PVPs: how much pvps are going on depends on mostly how good pvpers are on servers. Those who don't know how to pvp, won't pvp. Those who know, will fight self-appropriate players. And on BC1 there's more good pvpers than on BC2, not to mention again pvp is a loss of ressources for 1 of 2 players, which were a lot more needed on BC2.

So it's expected BC1 was more friendly on BC1.
About interior fighting, there was 1 guild dark side fighting on BC2 at start for less than 2 days. I think you cannot say on BC2 were fighting because of that. And from being in Dark Inquisition I can say the guild is friendly just as being in Radiant Guardians on BC1 (which gives bonuses and help to its members on the cost of high advanced players in it).
About guild cooperation, I believe it depends if you're on winning or loosing side. I see no big differences between servers on that. It's needed to mention how dark side cut half of light faction hexes on BC2 not far before BC2 came up.


And once again (I've said this a lot of times on forum already), it's easy to talk about how PVP need players if you're good at them. Will you play PVP if you will always loose and need resources as well? I guess no.
To add to that, why do you think there's not many pvps going on, while on forum you can find almost only good opinions of it? Because mostly only good pvpers write about it on forum. Just check posts in this topic.

I'd like to vote, but it seems the poll is already closed? Maybe it would be a good idea to keep it open for one week and not just four days, to actually make it somewhat representative? For what it's worth, mine would be a »no«-vote for now.

If you really do insist on merging, how will we on Olympus be compensated for having had to invest about 6x more time, energy and resources to achieve things since the start of the new world? We'll be put at a huge disadvantage compared to those who got to enjoy Erevos all that time, if it's simply a straight merge of accounts in a new place.

Plonck wrote:

I'd like to vote, but it seems the poll is already closed? Maybe it would be a good idea to keep it open for one week and not just four days, to actually make it somewhat representative? For what it's worth, mine would be a »no«-vote for now.

If you really do insist on merging, how will we on Olympus be compensated for having had to invest about 6x more time, energy and resources to achieve things since the start of the new world? We'll be put at a huge disadvantage compared to those who got to enjoy Erevos all that time, if it's simply a straight merge of accounts in a new place.

If it is closed, that happens automatically. We cannot open it again, as there is no such function.

In regards to the merging, there is simply no 100% BEST solution for everybody including Erevos players, Olympus players and BC as well. The merger will make the game more interesting, more satisfying, more challenging and it will add new mechanics in the world map by adding the best from Erevos and Olympus. One thing is for certain...No progress will be lost for both the players and the Guilds. For people who have more than 1 accounts, we will have to find a solution that will both be possible and fair.

Very nice Rune Slayer,

Either way I look forward to the upcoming changes and working through the challenges.

  

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I don't wish to sound inconsiderate Plonck; but at this point whichever way you chose to vote the numbers would look basically the same. The poll has served it's purpose; 2-1 in favor of merging.

Regarding the two seperate 'communities'... I try to get along with everyone on both servers, and find it pretty easy to do so. There will always be people who simply do not get along with each other. Seperating communities and letting people essentially run away from this problem is a solution, but it's not a productive one. You can't have a new server every time people don't get along.

One of my favourite things about the merge is that all the people who enjoy the social aspect of the game should get a boost. More people talking, more people trading, more people PVPing. The BC2 pvp community was very win focused in early days, but lately I have noticed more people are interested in matching AP, dropping GL gear if their opponent doesn't have it, and a serious increase in interest due to 2v2s. Greed is a real human emotion and a fair one to acknowledge in a game like this. PVP is supposed to be competition first, fun second. This pattern is already emerging in BC2 and merging that PVP group to BC1 should provide a nice influx of new blood for BC1 and exciting and fun new PVP opportunities for BC2 players.

At this point I'm basically done with this thread and am waiting for new ones with details of the merge. Activity on Olympus went up quite a bit with the reset of the map. A breath of fresh air is always exciting, and that's how I'm choosing to view this merge.

Scaren wrote:

ysosad wrote:

I will grant that PvP behavior does seem to be different...but with such few people doing PvP I don't think that is at all indicative of the community on either server.

To be fair to PvP you don't pvp...

to be fair to pvp.. i do pvp, i know usual bc2 pvpers, even more so with test server, and tried to pvp in bc2 quite a few times. people there just find the strongest army and farm wins, you or pyr, or claud, all seem to look at pvping as something to be won at whatever cost, with kiting and such, and whoever is first inq/sniping. [/quote]
Ah yes I forgot about that terrible, terrible, terrible crime of trying to win pvps...

I couldn't force myself to read all the posts so sorry if this was already covered.

I don't mind if item stats get changed as long as it will still be possible to reach caps with certain units. The biggest reason why I was against olympus gear stats is because it makes certain races unable to reach caps with certain units while other races don't have that problem so they didn't care about item stat caps.

That's the only thing that bothers me about the merge but other than that I'm all for it.

RuneSlayer wrote:

Plonck wrote:

I'd like to vote, but it seems the poll is already closed? Maybe it would be a good idea to keep it open for one week and not just four days, to actually make it somewhat representative? For what it's worth, mine would be a »no«-vote for now.

If you really do insist on merging, how will we on Olympus be compensated for having had to invest about 6x more time, energy and resources to achieve things since the start of the new world? We'll be put at a huge disadvantage compared to those who got to enjoy Erevos all that time, if it's simply a straight merge of accounts in a new place.

If it is closed, that happens automatically. We cannot open it again, as there is no such function.

In regards to the merging, there is simply no 100% BEST solution for everybody including Erevos players, Olympus players and BC as well. The merger will make the game more interesting, more satisfying, more challenging and it will add new mechanics in the world map by adding the best from Erevos and Olympus. One thing is for certain...No progress will be lost for both the players and the Guilds.  For people who have more than 1 accounts, we will have to find a solution that will both be possible and fair.

Hi Rune, thanks for your answer. I'm really not worried that much about losing progress as such, I know you'll handle transfer of existing things well. I am however worried about comparative progress. Olympus was incredibly hard to play in terms of any progress, and my estimate of everything taking about six times longer was not just taken from thin air. I was a newbie on Erevos for a few weeks before the new server started, so I could track quite easily how long it took in comparison to get anywhere. About six times as long seems about right (may partly be caused because I unfortunately play DL now, who are extremely disadvantaged in comparison to other races, and before was an elf, who are… not).

S,o everyone who played Olympus, while other people stayed behind, would be so very much further if they'd also stayed on Erevos for the same time period. Not to mention how the people who hung back also benefited greatly from all the resources and gear the ones moving to BC2 gifted before transferring, and will now get to take all those items with them.

I know items/res are just done now and would be impossible to figure out a compensation for. But at least for the time factor, there should be something figured out. By the time the merge happens, it will have been at least three months of severely stunted growth for people on BC2. Just throwing us together with the BC1 people who enjoyed incredibly cheap investment and growth just wouldn't be right.

Plonck wrote:

Hi Rune, thanks for your answer. I'm really not worried that much about losing progress as such, I know you'll handle transfer of existing things well. I am however worried about comparative progress. Olympus was incredibly hard to play in terms of any progress, and my estimate of everything taking about six times longer was not just taken from thin air. I was a newbie on Erevos for a few weeks before the new server started, so I could track quite easily how long it took in comparison to get anywhere. About six times as long seems about right (may partly be caused because I unfortunately play DL now, who are extremely disadvantaged in comparison to other races, and before was an elf, who are… not).

S,o everyone who played Olympus, while other people stayed behind, would be so very much further if they'd also stayed on Erevos for the same time period. Not to mention how the people who hung back also benefited greatly from all the resources and gear the ones moving to BC2 gifted before transferring, and will now get to take all those items with them.

I know items/res are just done now and would be impossible to figure out a compensation for. But at least for the time factor, there should be something figured out. By the time the merge happens, it will have been at least three months of severely stunted growth for people on BC2. Just throwing us together with the BC1 people who enjoyed incredibly cheap investment and growth just wouldn't be right.

+ALL to this.

Not to mention people who spent gems to buy resources and upgrade buildings that would have been 1/4th cheaper in Erevos

relative progress is a major concern for me too. I'm in the top 5 on Olympus. In a merger, I'll be lucky if I am top 100. Just think of all the fame we gained from quests on Erevos that was lost when we moved to Olympus. Not to mention how much progress was lost by resetting everything. It's definitely not fair to players on Olympus. Maybe give them a couple weeks of minimal research and construction times and increased resource building ouput to catch up to Erevos players a bit?

Since we are merging to a new world will any tech prices or building prices be increased,decreased,or kept the same? (based on Olympus).

Twoface wrote:

Since we are merging to a new world will any tech prices or building prices be increased,decreased,or kept the same? (based on Olympus).

They will definitely not be as high as they were on Olympus. So that is great for Olympus but i'm not sure if it will be Erevos norms or somewhere in between. I really really hope they go with Erevos prices. Those prices much less discouraged new players and there wasn't a huge difference in prices of level 5 to level 6 buildings.