To merge, or not to merge....THIS is the question of life...

It seems that a lot of players don't want this merge to happen because that would mean that the current status of the Olympus game world will become the default after the merge. If that is the case, we are really not going to force this change and we are willing to keep the current status of the Erevos gameworld to become the default after the merge, but with some small tweaks (Eg. items caps).

However, our main problem is the fact that some players play in both game worlds and we cannot transfer both accounts in the new world, as we do not allow multi-accounts for obvious reasons. We may figure out a way to give the option to the player to choose which account he wants to use and the other one would be deleted. Is that...acceptable....barely acceptable or plain FAIL...?

There have been several polls and we risk losing ourselves into tens of polls. I will lock the rest of the polls, so the Community can express itself in a single thread, instead of many.

Let us clarify one thing first, before we get into more details....

Does the Community want 1 gameworld instead of 2? The specifics of the transition can be discussed later on.

RuneSlayer wrote:

It seems that a lot of players don't want this merge to happen because that would mean that the current status of the Olympus game world will become the default after the merge. If that is the case, we are really not going to force this change and we are willing to keep the current status of the Erevos gameworld to become the default after the merge, but with some small tweaks (Eg. items caps).

However, our main problem is the fact that some players play in both game worlds and we cannot transfer both accounts in the new world, as we do not allow multi-accounts for obvious reasons. We may figure out a way to give the option to the player to choose which account he wants to use and the other one would be deleted. Is that...acceptable....barely acceptable or plain FAIL...?

There have been several polls and we risk losing ourselves into tens of polls. I will lock the rest of the polls, so the Community can express itself in a single thread, instead of many.

Let us clarify one thing first, before we get into more details....

Does the Community want 1 gameworld instead of 2? The specifics of the transition can be discussed later on.

The players with two accounts have to decide! What is the point of having two accounts, one in each game world if it's ruining the game on both maps in the long run?!

Compensate the players that are about to make a huge sacrifice. How? I don't know, but can't it be made acceptable somehow?

Despite what is now going on, one world would make things better for all of us.

ST

 

With the merge ,: does the account we decide on keeping for the merge retain all progress or are all accounts reset?

I want to keep my progress because i am already very further than i was on Erevos and if we must reset alot of people (that didnt use gems) will be rather upset.

Gimli,   

yes we will retain all progress. Problem will be with people with 2 accounts, but i belive that a good solution will be invented

I see one problem doing this merge. There will be the people from Erevos who have made more progress being merged into a world with few if any at the Erevos standards of progress. I do not want a one-sided battle(for new players) to become the best.

i think 1 world would be better (more players more coops more chat more pvp ect)

but i can understand the problem with the 2 accs and it will be a lot of work to discuss and agree on which of the old world-game-systems are better\best and need to be in the new world (item-stats ,wall\hex build up stuff,ect)

also im still hope for my old stuff,

..and would like to know how we deal with the guilds if we merge to one world..
-for example prism and diamond are 2 guilds,and ruach is atm not around to manage ít(the changes) .
I dont know who is leader or vice at prism atm and im just vice at diamond to keep things going
- dont know if others also build up 2 equal guilds on each server..or if this is just our private thing to deal with..


BUT dont need to discuss this now just wanted to show some points,i know we need first to vote and decide IF a merge to 1 world will happen..

There will be many progress belive me, but question is if we want merge then we will discuss about problems.

I play two accounts, and I have understood since the beginning of this discussion that a merge would mean the end of one. This is a real pain in the ass for me, because it means I have wasted a /lot/ of time. I started my Olympus character early our of curiosity, and worked steadily to improve it. I essentially STOLE time and effort from my other character to do this. I made the decision to do so because I enjoyed playing two races more than one.

If at the start of this whole 'splitting of worlds' someone had told me it would only last a few months, I never would have bothered. I understand that the devs got screwed, but now I'm getting screwed too. I voted to merge, but I will be personally very upset if players with two characters aren't compensated somehow. I made a conscious effort to split my time/cp 'fairly' between the two servers, and was/am quite proud of how far I'd gotten on Olympus by just fighting away.

As it stands now, we are going to merge, this is a good simplification poll and I think it will be obvious that players want a merge.

In terms of 'hashing out the details' I am now concerned about two things; gear and eating the utter and absolute loss of character. It is not fair to punish people for having two accounts, the system was set up in such a way it was obvious that people would have one per server. Some sort of compensation is required.

I would also like to know if the gear is going to all be converted directly to Olympus stats or if a new tweaked system would be viable.

LSLarry wrote:

I play two accounts, and I have understood since the beginning of this discussion that a merge would mean the end of one.  This is a real pain in the ass for me, because it means I have wasted a /lot/ of time.  I started my Olympus character early our of curiosity, and worked steadily to improve it.  I essentially STOLE time and effort from my other character to do this.  I made the decision to do so because I enjoyed playing two races more than one.

If at the start of this whole 'splitting of worlds' someone had told me it would only last a few months, I never would have bothered.  I understand that the devs got screwed, but now I'm getting screwed too.  I voted to merge, but I will be personally very upset if players with two characters aren't compensated somehow.  I made a conscious effort to split my time/cp  'fairly' between the two servers, and was/am quite proud of how far I'd gotten on Olympus by just fighting away.  

As it stands now, we are going to merge, this is a good simplification poll and I think it will be obvious that players want a merge.  

In terms of 'hashing out the details' I am now concerned about two things; gear and eating the utter and absolute loss of character.  It is not fair to punish people for having two accounts, the system was set up in such a way it was obvious that people would have one per server.  Some sort of compensation is required.  

I would also like to know if the gear is going to all be converted directly to Olympus stats or if a new tweaked system would be viable.

LSLarry...in the real world, we all get "screwed", as you mentioned. The good thing with Battle Conquest is that we, as the "creators" of this virtual world, have all the options in our hands and it is up to us whether our players will receive an unfair treatment or not. It is also good, that we have no intention to treat our players unfairly, so we are definitely looking forward to working on a solution which will be beneficial for the game and the Community as a whole. To make a long story short, we are aware of the challenges ahead and we are willing to find solutions which if not 100% ideal, they will definitely be fair.

Heck I can live with that. Full speed ahead.

ST

I was a fairly active player on Olympus up until about the last 2 weeks ago. The world became stale mainly because the darkies have been kicking our light arse all over the place out of simply having more people. Now that was supposed to be remedied by a n00b wave via another party that has been dragging there feet. This is where the big hold up is on Olympus.

I would say if the merge is done, you can award the darkies the win, so atleast everyone gets some aether, because they have controlled the map regardless of everything. Now if you merge the 2 worlds I would like to see smaller CP containers like on Olympus, but walls somewhere in between the 2 worlds. So that walls are worth putting up, but don't create a huge stalemate like they did on Erevos.

IMHO, there's a lack of info what is going to happen along with each option.

Myself, unless there's a way to either transfer guilds or refund full resources cost used to level it up I vote NO.

It's not our fault that someone screwed things along the line and it's not working as it was planned to be.

Simple, I can't say yes to anything that will make our time and in some cases money vanish (still talking about resources used for guild upgrades here).

Personally I think that it'll be better if Olypus merged into Everos because the Olympus guilds don't nearly have the same amount of time invested into them than the Everos guilds and if there were guilds from both servers, all the guilds will be half empty. As for the players with 2 accounts, I think that they could chose 1 account and get their gear from another plus resources to compensate for loss of progress, I can't think of another way to do this more fairly. As for mechanics, I recomend mostly Everos mechanics however a mixture for walls and CP containers. I think the CP containers should be increased from Olympus and decreased from Everos in order to create a dynamic map with both server's population. Walls should be the same as what I said for CP containers however I think they should use less supplied so their effect justifies their cost.

Overall I think that we should merge, the reason why I voted option 1 in the previous poll was that I disagreed with the way of the other 2 mergers suggested with a large loss of progress.

Servers should be merged a long time ago. Basically, making 2 servers was a bad idea already.
The main reason for new server was making new map. As much I know, Erevos players think their map is better, and Olympus players think their is better. I play on both servers, and I like Olympus more, but if all players will play on same server, map should be a bit bigger and more bonuses. So here's one problem. To make the best, you should make map again so everyone will be cool with it.
Second problem is the main problem: two accounts and migrating. Some players have accounts on both servers and spent lot of money on both of them. Which means, lot of their money will be spent. And some high advanced players restarted on Olympus, and now you're telling them they did this just to be less advanced.
Third problem aka suggestion is to not make merging before big races changes (undead need special mentioning there). Players should get chance to change their races. I have an dark side and one light side acc, which means I will be forced to leave half of my friends. Dark Inquisition (Olympus, dark side) is new Mystic Valor (Erevos, light side), so if there will be not possible to change races, they will be forced to play against the guild that they half made.


To be short, I agree with merging, but changes must be big- for high advanced players that merget and started anew, chatastrophic and frustrating, which makes everything almost inpossible. Still, having 2 servers is stupid, for I vote for merging- YES.

RuneSlayer wrote:

3. Reset both Erevos and Olympus (wait for 2 more weeks on Olympus so a victor can be decided) and merge both populations in a brand new world map with the changes as they are on Olympus. All players retain their progression and are just transferred to a new world. No changes in Faction or race.

I'm in favor for this one too. But changes in race should be made (AFTER big stats changes will be made)

And I have a feeling that there's way more Erevos players here. So, it 70% of pupulation is from Erevos, they will look for their advancements. While Olympus 30% population will suffer and will be forced to do what others want, even unfairly.

Not all Everos players think that their map is superior, I felt that a new map isn't a good enough reason to completely restart and lose all progress. I'm indifferent about the map, both maps have their benefits and both have their disadvantages.

mdaborn wrote:

Not all Everos players think that their map is superior, I felt that a new map isn't a good enough reason to completely restart and lose all progress.  I'm indifferent about the map, both maps have their benefits and both have their disadvantages.

I fully agree. But new server was made almost only because new map. Which were stupid.

tommarkc wrote:

I fully agree. But new server was made almost only because new map. Which were stupid.

Just to put things right... Olympus wasn't made so we can have a new map. We could always wait for a Faction to win on Erevos and then change the map. I have already mentioned why this happened.

LSLarry wrote:

If at the start of this whole 'splitting of worlds' someone had told me it would only last a few months, I never would have bothered.  I understand that the
In terms of 'hashing out the details' I am now concerned about two things; gear and eating the utter and absolute loss of character.  It is not fair to punish people for having two accounts, the system was set up in such a way it was obvious that people would have one per server.  Some sort of compensation is required.  

Seems to me an algorithm could be figured out: a building is worth x per level, a research is worth y and add it all up and pay it to the kept account in gems.

Just an idea I had.

Dren

Good idea but what ratio of res spent to gems would there be? This is something that has to be gotten right the first time and gems seem to be worth a variety of value depending on your WH or res production building levels I believe. It may be easier to just compensate via resources as they have a consistant value regardless of the level of your buildings.

RuneSlayer wrote:

tommarkc wrote:

I fully agree. But new server was made almost only because new map. Which were stupid.

Just to put things right... Olympus wasn't made so we can have a new map. We could always wait for a Faction to win on Erevos and then change the map. I have already mentioned why this happened.

So you made new server because you expected a big new wave of newbies? And what will be wrong if they come to existing one?



And I doubt we will receive gems regarding our fame/ building upgrades. I'm having very high levels and never spent any of gems, and I will be more than happy if I get gems for resources Dragon slayer will come first!
I just don't know what I will do because I have way better acc on Erevos, but its on AG, while I will want to play on Kong. Will I be forced to abandon better acc just to play on Kong?

For people with two accounts I agree that you are somewhat boned. However I think that being able to choose one account that you want to keep. The second account you get the gear,frags, and maybe some resources/all the resources left in that account. They did earn those things and shouldn't be left with nothing.

IF both worlds get reset, and Olympus is migrated over to Erevos...

PLEASE change the bonus hex locations. Do something with them.
Don't have to change the whole map, but do something different.

Just another thought.. This could be an opportunity for a larger and more chaotic map...

don't mix the "lighties" together (nor the darkies).. and treat us as having 4 factions.. not 2.

RuneSlayer wrote:

It seems that a lot of players don't want this merge to happen because that would mean that the current status of the Olympus game world will become the default after the merge. If that is the case, we are really not going to force this change and we are willing to keep the current status of the Erevos gameworld to become the default after the merge, but with some small tweaks (Eg. items caps).

However, our main problem is the fact that some players play in both game worlds and we cannot transfer both accounts in the new world, as we do not allow multi-accounts for obvious reasons. We may figure out a way to give the option to the player to choose which account he wants to use and the other one would be deleted. Is that...acceptable....barely acceptable or plain FAIL...?

There have been several polls and we risk losing ourselves into tens of polls. I will lock the rest of the polls, so the Community can express itself in a single thread, instead of many.

Let us clarify one thing first, before we get into more details....

Does the Community want 1 gameworld instead of 2? The specifics of the transition can be discussed later on.

To answer the major question- YES, One game world. Honestly, it would be SOOO MUCH more awesome, if we had all the players back on only one server. You see, we're currently (and inexplicably) down to virtually no players, so all the players become a "necessity" for the game to have any feeling of "action" to it.

But... I don't wanna lose my progress! my gear, my units, my buildings. I don't wanna! I couldn't stand to start from scratch, I simply ain't got the time to get back up to snuff!!!! So, if the "major" question required my losing progress, suddenly my vote goes quite the opposite direction that it previously went.

Now, about item caps. EW, I don't *like* Olympus caps. I don't like more or less (any) of the changes that Olympus had, compared to Erevos. It's part of why I've essentially abandoned my Olympus account (I opted to keep my Erevos account, due to the difficulty of regaining my progress, noted above)

About the only thing I like(d) about Olympus, was a more complex map. BUT, honestly, it didn't go (nearly) far enough... I was hoping for something closer to a map 2x as large (scroll-able in multiple directions) as Erevos, and certainly *not* symmetrical, even if flipped... From a player's perspective, it really doesn't seem like it should be too difficult to just generate the map with an even number of tiles per side, and allow for different shaped map sides. Perhaps, this "fluid map" would alter after each "war" (victory/defeat).