Merging of Erevos and Olympus / Multi-Accounts

Following the poll regarding the possible merger of Erevos and Olympus and according to the results we have decided to go with the merger. The gains from the merger are too many and we believe that it will affect the game positively in the short run and the long run.

It is very important for us to proceed with the merging of the two game worlds in the smoothest way possible. There is no perfect solution, but we are definitely aiming for something that will be considered fair by all the players.

How is the merging going to occur?

1. A new map will be created as presented in this post here

2. All accounts will be transferred from both Erevos and Olympus to the new game world/world map.

3. All players retain their current progress which includes:

i) Level of Buildings
ii) Tech levels
iii) Units and their levels
iv) Items and fragments
v) Heroes and their levels
vi) Resources
vii) Gems

4. All Guilds retain their current progress which includes:

i) Level
ii) Guild Members
iii) All resources and items in Guild Vault

5. Players and Guilds will lose the following:

i) CP and Influence
ii) Regions and Regional Bonuses

What happens with people who have one account on Erevos and one account on Olympus?

As we do NOT allow multi-accounts, we had to come up with an idea to provide a fair solution to the people who have invested both time and effort on both game worlds and now they are asked to use only one of them.

This is what we have come up with:

1. We will add a function in the game which will allow the player to delete his account.

2. An account can be deleted only if the player has a min. number of Fame which is based on the level of buildings and the level of techs (i.e. excluding the Fame gained by battles). Players with low level buildings and low progress are not considered eligible for this system, as the time and effort invested to upgrade the city at that low level is min. (No, don't worry, we do not consider a level 12 City a low level City...)

3. Once a player clicks on the "Delete" button, the game will inform him that if he proceeds he will receive an amount of Gems which will depend on the Fame that a player has.

4. If the player wants to continue with the deletion of his account, then he will receive a 32 digit number, which he can then use to his other account (by filling in a specific field) in order to receive the Gems.

5. There will be a specific time window for the players to take advantage of this transition which will be from 10 - 20 days.

6. We would like to note that after the transition period, any player who is caught having more than 1 accounts will be banned and all accounts will be deleted without any notice. We will be very strict with this rule, as multi-accounts can lead to severe exploitation of the mechanics and disruption to the game experience.


A poll has been created, which will last for 5 days. We want to proceed with the merging as soon as possible as 1 game world and the new world map will provide a more challenging, more interesting and more satisfactory gameplay experience.

Two questions:
1. If approved, do you have an estimate as to when the merge would occur? (Realizing that several factors are at play or unknown, I'm just looking for the minimum amount of time...not the maximum due to issues that may arise.)

2. Will a win/partial win condition be considered to make the progress that the two game worlds have made this cycle seem meaningful?

Thanks.

one qestion:
what will happend with people who moved to olympus with old accout (reset button) they will get something too ? i got 14k fame on everos and now i will go back to everos with about 10-12k fame

a couple of questions:
1) Can we have an estimate about the planned fame/gems ratio?
2) What about gems (spent and unspent) on the deleted account: completely lost    or transferred (partially, totally...)?
2.1) what about equips/frags and aether? All lost, i suppose...

I spent money on my Erevos account, so I hope that if it gets deleted the gem purchases will move to my Olympus account.

I have one account in Olympus and one in Erevos. The Erevos account is dark and has a lot of great items and even some extra frags while the Olympus account is light and is the one I actually want to keep. Will transfering items, frags, and/or resources between the two accounts prior to deleting one be fair game? And if so, can there be made some way where dark guilds can form trading pacts (not alliances) with light guilds and vice versa to make this not require the risky market for me and others to do? On a related note, I don't think trading pacts should count as alliances cancelling pvp between the two guilds (as they do now), but instead as neutral, the same as no alliance.

I understand if you don't want players transferring all items to one account since you are already offering gems for fame for the deleted account. Since fame is something already invested in while resources/items/frags are things that have yet to be invested into something I don't see the real problem of allowing players to transfer them. However, if all accounts go to the new world initially then players with accounts on the same faction as each other will have quite an easy time transferring all their valuables to one account, while players with a dark and a light account like me will have a very hard time. If not implemented properly I think the market will be full of cheap goodies and snipers during this time.

Ideas?

Maybe allowing Leaders and Vice-leaders of both Dark & Light guilds being able to transfer items back and forth between each other for a limited amount of time?(10-20 days)

Not sure if I like the idea of Dark & Light guilds having trade pacts with each other, will probably render the auction house almost useless?

What about aether transfer?

Gems for fame seems like one way to solve the 'time invested' problem.

The issue now is gear. As has been pointed out; players with two accounts in the same faction have it easy. Dump everything to guild; delete account. Claim gems from # and everything from guild. No risk, no loss, full gain. They get their res back, their frags back, their items back, and gems to compensate their fame.

If a # can be generated to give people gems; can a similar system be set up their items/frags/res? Essentially a 'your guild has sent you supplies' option for people w/one account each faction? They can choose to send all/any their stuff to one person and one person only; their second account?

Edit; Will there be any sort of compensation for units and heroes as well as buildings and research? They don't contribute any fame but they are arguably the most important part of an account! Time invested, yet again. There is only one way to gain XP. Buildings can be bought we gems, research can be bought with gems. Fighting is the purest measure of how much actual time a player is willing to spend on this game.

Aether; will Aether items be transferable somehow? Will a player's stored unspent Aether be transferable? Will it be valued at all? People fought hard on both words for that, they shouldn't just lose it, they earned it. (or gemmed for fame, in which case let em have it! ;D)

What about aether?

Deleting account: What will be gem-fame ratio?

Guilds should get all resources spent on upgrades back.

Gems spent on deleted account should be returned.

tommarkc wrote:

Gems spent on deleted account should be returned.

This is exploitable and generally not a good idea. Gems were already used in ways that increase fame or bring resources/equipment into an account which is taken into consideration already. A small ratio could work but not sure if even that is necessary.

Boboknack wrote:

Not sure if I like the idea of Dark & Light guilds having trade pacts with each other, will probably render the auction house almost useless?

IMO nothing to worry about, Bobo. The dealings of individuals, done through the auction house, are very different from what is done between guilds. All those small transactions that go through auction could never all be facilitated through the guilds, as they'd still need to be handled by a treasurer/chancellor or above, on both sides, to make their way to single members. No one would be happy to have to do this, the automated system will always have its place.

Bobba wrote:

tommarkc wrote:

Gems spent on deleted account should be returned.

This is exploitable and generally not a good idea. Gems were already used in ways that increase fame or bring resources/equipment into an account which is taken into consideration already. A small ratio could work but not sure if even that is necessary.

I agree, I took idea back
Still, I would like to see ratio... which I believe is necessary. Some people have 20k + fame on both accounts, so lot of work should be rewarded. And it should be exponentally (smaller fame difference should be more rewarded). It's big difference between 1k or 5k fame, while 30k against 34k is not. And if you should get at least 1% fame to gem transfer for fame up to 20k.

tommarkc wrote:

Bobba wrote:

tommarkc wrote:

Gems spent on deleted account should be returned.

This is exploitable and generally not a good idea. Gems were already used in ways that increase fame or bring resources/equipment into an account which is taken into consideration already. A small ratio could work but not sure if even that is necessary.

I agree, I took idea back
Still, I would like to see ratio... which I believe is necessary. Some people have 20k + fame on both accounts, so lot of work should be rewarded. And it should be exponentally (smaller fame difference should be more rewarded). It's big difference between 1k or 5k fame, while 30k against 34k is not. And if you should get at least 1% fame to gem transfer for fame up to 20k.

the gem->fame ratio should be bigger when deleting an Olympus account, for obvious reasons (but not TOO much bigger).

Bobba wrote:

tommarkc wrote:

Bobba wrote:

tommarkc wrote:

Gems spent on deleted account should be returned.

This is exploitable and generally not a good idea. Gems were already used in ways that increase fame or bring resources/equipment into an account which is taken into consideration already. A small ratio could work but not sure if even that is necessary.

I agree, I took idea back
Still, I would like to see ratio... which I believe is necessary. Some people have 20k + fame on both accounts, so lot of work should be rewarded. And it should be exponentally (smaller fame difference should be more rewarded). It's big difference between 1k or 5k fame, while 30k against 34k is not. And if you should get at least 1% fame to gem transfer for fame up to 20k.

the gem->fame ratio should be bigger when deleting an Olympus account, for obvious reasons (but not TOO much bigger).

Agreed. But for now, we don't know at all about details and no questions answered for now.

If a player has an account on olympus he would like to delete...and this account does not meet the minimum fame requirement for deleting ...can i still delete the account? The wording in the post is not clear...can delete account only if meet certain fame level. i am assuming my awesome 171 fame is too low.

I want a merge.
The only reason in those previous polls I voted no is because Erevos will have Olympus norms, which I really really and really don't want. (I think the next poll will be about norms, and we know who'll win!)
And I also like Erevos with not much heavy spenders, I'm really enjoying it now.

I voted yes, as it certainly sounds like a fair plan to me.

Some well deserved replies to some good questions:

1) Can we have an estimate about the planned fame/gems ratio?

Some time next week, definitely before Friday.

2) What about gems (spent and unspent) on the deleted account: completely lost or transferred (partially, totally...)?

All Gems that are in the to be deleted account, will of course be transferred to the other account, minus the free Gems we provide to every new user. Regarding the spent Gems, I am completely covered by the following post:

Bobba wrote:

tommarkc wrote:
Gems spent on deleted account should be returned.

This is exploitable and generally not a good idea. Gems were already used in ways that increase fame or bring resources/equipment into an account which is taken into consideration already. A small ratio could work but not sure if even that is necessary.

3) what about equips/frags and aether? All lost, i suppose...

We will allow the transfer of BOTH Aether AND Aether items from the to be deleted account to the other account! One more "Thank You!" for being the Community you are!

Remarks

- Guilds will retain their levels and Guild vaults, but they will not keep anything else.

- I will present later today, with another post, the relation between Fame and Gems.

As Bobba said, giving back all spent gems from deleted acc is too exploitable... lets say someone huge amount of gems now. After merge, they are returned and gems spent of GLs frags and such will be donated to guilds. That means double profit and profit for 2 mio gold+.

It worked for making 1 server into 2, but not this way. To avoid this problem, return 50% spent gems. Other 50% gems will be returned with fame and aether.

Or at least don't return gems bought from now on.


Looking forward to fame-gems ratio.

tommarkc wrote:

As Bobba said, giving back all spent gems from deleted acc is too exploitable... lets say someone huge amount of gems now. After merge, they are returned and gems spent of GLs frags and such will be donated to guilds. That means double profit and profit for 2 mio gold+.

It worked for making 1 server into 2, but not this way. To avoid this problem, return 50% spent gems. Other 50% gems will be returned with fame and aether.

Or at least don't return gems bought from now on.


Looking forward to fame-gems ratio.

That's exactly what I said tommarkc. Spent Gems will not be transferred, but we cannot throw away unspent Gems in a player's account.

RuneSlayer wrote:

Some well deserved replies to some good questions:


3) what about equips/frags and aether? All lost, i suppose...

More specific, from deleted accounts or all accounts?

RuneSlayer wrote:

tommarkc wrote:

As Bobba said, giving back all spent gems from deleted acc is too exploitable... lets say someone huge amount of gems now. After merge, they are returned and gems spent of GLs frags and such will be donated to guilds. That means double profit and profit for 2 mio gold+.

It worked for making 1 server into 2, but not this way. To avoid this problem, return 50% spent gems. Other 50% gems will be returned with fame and aether.

Or at least don't return gems bought from now on.


Looking forward to fame-gems ratio.

That's exactly what I said tommarkc. Spent Gems will not be transferred, but we cannot throw away unspent Gems in a player's account.

My mistake

Savvage wrote:

RuneSlayer wrote:

Some well deserved replies to some good questions:


3) what about equips/frags and aether? All lost, i suppose...

More specific, from deleted accounts or all accounts?

From deleted account of course. Why would we ever delete frags, items, etc. from the account a player will keep to continue playing on?

Resubmitting my questions

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Two questions:
1. If approved, do you have an estimate as to when the merge would occur? (Realizing that several factors are at play or unknown, I'm just looking for the minimum amount of time...not the maximum due to issues that may arise.)

2. Will a win/partial win condition be considered to make the progress that the two game worlds have made this cycle seem meaningful?

Thanks.