qestion about trading pvp victories

Posts : 830 Join date : 2013-08-23 Location : Australia

This definitely should NOT be allowed.
Having said that, while it appears COMMON SENSE to me, I can appreciate that others may not see it this way.

Right now, the 'rules as written' do not properly cover this scenario.

It would take all of 30 seconds to amend the rules to include this additional rule, and I can't see anyone of sound mind attempting to argue against it.

Posts : 774 Join date : 2013-07-26

XViper wrote:: This definitely should NOT be allowed.
Having said that, while it appears COMMON SENSE to me, I can appreciate that others may not see it this way.

Right now, the 'rules as written' do not properly cover this scenario.

It would take all of 30 seconds to amend the rules to include this additional rule, and I can't see anyone of sound mind attempting to argue against it.

Cover which scenario?

Please read My post & Fyrr's post carefully.

They both bring up edge cases .. many which we are quite valid ways to do PvP.

For example:

Fyrr wrote:: Eg the last few weeks I've been pvping some great lighties and darkies, who win often, battles are enjoyable etc, fighting to death, tactics... End results can be something like 6 wins 5 losses... Is that exploiting too? If it is, then really, what's the point of pvping at all... If it's fair... why limit ourselves to 1-2 pvps at a time if we both want to kill each other over and over? I personally don't really enjoy fighting a pile of different people, most of them have boring pve-ish tactics. where is the line anyway? maybe even fighting someone with less experience is unfair?

+1 Clearly what Fyrr is doing is quite valid & a good way to enjoy the game.

Be careful not to make it so when a few people PvP against each other suddenly that is "not allowed" and "cheating" or "outrageous". It is quite common for two people to do multiple PvP matches against each other & and to average about 50/50 wins. And this was all done in good fun & with no attempt to take advantage of the rules, but to simply enjoy the game.

Many of us could name multiple people that we have seen do this & arrange in global on Everos. And it was simply a way to get PvP matches, when it was so hard to arrange them.

What should be allowed? What should not be allowed? Is is not easy to define & has not been defined yet.

I suggest the following two changes:

Rules -- something like: PvP is intended for fun & as a test of skill. You may not circumvent this on purpose to trade wins & loses, or deliberately win or lose.
Coding: PvP rewards are decreased by number of enemy troops that escaped (for example someone deliberately losing & escaping with 98% of troops, the winner gets his rewards decreased by 98%).

Posts : 830 Join date : 2013-08-23 Location : Australia

Insert Rule:

"You may not exploit PvP by deliberately orchestrating the Winner and Loser of a match."
Edit: Or what Pearl wrote is fine.

Leave the rest up to the devs and their endless logs, stats and ability to see through figures who is doing such.

People might think they are being 'smart' and 'clever', but it can be pretty easy to tell who's exploiting the system from some back-end stats. Rune's not an idiot.

Posts : 451 Join date : 2013-05-26

Pearl Fyrr and you are talking about different things. Many PVP arrange with someone to fight and fun is little different than arrange pvp to accumulate resources, frags, and cp, where one side is fleeing from battle or players caonstantly fighting each other allowing win once one player and then second player.

Please reconsider your position. This is very serious. Try to look at this situation as a member of High Council not a guild leader.

Posts : 3124 Join date : 2012-11-13

Let me put a stop to this and clarify things for everyone here.

It IS an exploit and it IS cheating.

We will not allow this to continue on. In order to protect the rest of the BC Community, anyone caught doing that will suffer the consequences.

In case people like to play with words and they do not understand what cheating is...

BC rules have been updated:

http://www.battleconforum.com/t214-battle-conquest-rules#830

Posts : 141 Join date : 2013-12-21

now its more clear and you trading pvp wins is cheating now but tell me please where is the border of exploit game mechanics and just use it ?

for example there is someone i pvp queue with let say 500 ap dont know who and no answer on global chat if i go in with 501 ap its and exploit or just use of mechanics ? or i can go with 650 still in t1 and it will be not an exploit.

so where is the border 10% 5 % ? where is just using game mechanics and where is exploiting it to get an advantage because going in with 650 is pretty sure going for a sure win in 99%

Posts : 3124 Join date : 2012-11-13

Pyr wrote:: now its more clear and you trading pvp wins is cheating now but tell me please where is the border of exploit game mechanics and just use it ?

for example there is someone i pvp queue with let say 500 ap dont know who and no answer on global chat if i go in with 501 ap its and exploit or just use of mechanics ? or i can go with 650 still in t1 and it will be not an exploit.

so where is the border 10% 5 % ? where is just using game mechanics and where is exploiting it to get an advantage because going in with 650 is pretty sure going for a sure win in 99%

Pyr....why are we even having this conversation when things are crystal clear? Things in life are very simple...When you have two players who are trading PvP wins/losses....they KNOW that they are EXPLOITING the PVP game mechanics in order to get resources and precious fragments with no sweat....Does that need more clarification?

Posts : 141 Join date : 2013-12-21

yes sniping is still not an exploit now that's clear i can fight someone with 280 ap with 650 army and its ok

trading was clarified when there was rule change now its other case

i dont need eny clarification more

Posts : 3124 Join date : 2012-11-13

Pyr wrote:: yes sniping is still not an exploit now that's clear i can fight someone with 280 ap with 650 army and its ok

Both players are well informed that they are entering a Tier which is 250 - 650 AP.

Posts : 698 Join date : 2013-08-21

The point is when i tell another player, hey lets pvp within allowed limits *cough*
One time you take 250 AP and i take 650 AP, and next time we switch. This still is about as much as a traded victory because the winner is decided ahead of the battle.

Posts : 141 Join date : 2013-12-21

nah thats not even a point i dont have to lose that way just wait until anyone will get with less than max tier ap into queue and go with max

its pretty sure win like 90% maby not on higher tiers like t4 t5 when you can have enough skill to negate that but t1 with 150 ap more its pretty sure win

so as i said before there should be a matching limit inside tiers also to prevent such things

Posts : 585 Join date : 2013-10-21

Pyr wrote:: so as i said before there should be a matching limit inside tiers also to prevent such things

We had this kind of matching system you mentioned before and it killed pvp. The tiers are just fine. The AP range might be a little big for t1 and t2 as well, but everybody entering the q is aware of that. Or at least will be after the first fatal loss he has suffered Wink

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Posts : 141 Join date : 2013-12-21

well i remember that there was only matching limit but dont remember matching limit within tiers but ok let it stay as it is

Posts : 256 Join date : 2013-04-30 Location : Canada

Thanks for the update, and looking into it Rune.

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