qestion about trading pvp victories

Posts : 141 Join date : 2013-12-21

there is possiblity to trade pvp wins i win one opponent second one is that against the rules because many pepole told me thay dont want to be benned but i cant find enything about trainding in game rules

Posts : 3124 Join date : 2012-11-13

Trading PvP wins...?

Posts : 141 Join date : 2013-12-21

yes

2 fights with thesame player one win is on me the second one is for him

Posts : 774 Join date : 2013-07-26

RuneSlayer wrote:: Trading PvP wins...?

People have been doing this for quite a while (and sometimes they just flee)

Another thing that is quite common is for someone seeking a PvP game:

The expected winner¹ offers to pay the expected loser (for the costs of "healing". Typical offers have been 1k or more).

¹Mostly this was on Everos from the dark players. Though now it has started on Olympus also.

Posts : 3124 Join date : 2012-11-13

Pyr wrote:: yes

2 fights with thesame player one win is on me the second one is for him

WHAT THE....................

Yes, this is not allowed. We have already received reports of people who are trying to gain an unfair advantage over the rest of the Community. They will be dealt with..

Posts : 141 Join date : 2013-12-21

so that shoul be writed in rules and that was not writen when i started that topic only thing close was harrasment etc. but thats not that

:edit: and its still not there

Posts : 774 Join date : 2013-07-26

Pyr wrote:: so that shoul be writed in rules and that was not writen when i started that topic only thing close was harrasment etc. but thats not that

Well ... if the developers are opposed to this, they can change the game to make it not worthwhile:

If you win against someone who flees, very little rewards¹;
It won't match you up with the same player "too often"²

¹Easy to implement;
²Hard to implement, and of course that takes away from valuable development resources Sad

... that could instead be used to improve the game for everyone.

Posts : 451 Join date : 2013-05-26

RuneSlayer wrote:: • Exploit any bug you may discover. Sharing an exploit with other Battle Conquest players is forbidden. You are expected to report the bug to the Battle Conquest staff.

It is in rules

Posts : 141 Join date : 2013-12-21

thats not a bug its a part of a game or you are trying to tell me i cant do pvps ?

Posts : 774 Join date : 2013-07-26

kuba_ wrote:

RuneSlayer wrote:: • Exploit any bug you may discover. Sharing an exploit with other Battle Conquest players is forbidden. You are expected to report the bug to the Battle Conquest staff.

It is in rules

Kubasaka its not a bug that you can PvP against the same person & trade "wins" & "losses".

Its against the spirit of the game for sure; but that's not the same as a bug or an exploit.

Posts : 451 Join date : 2013-05-26

RuneSlayer wrote:: Sharing an exploit with other Battle Conquest players is forbidden.

Tell me that this isnt an exploit.

Posts : 98 Join date : 2013-07-25

You are doing it to gain unfair advantage against other players later.

It is an exploit. An ugly and disgusting exploit. I hope such players will be banned.

Posts : 774 Join date : 2013-07-26

kuba_ wrote:

RuneSlayer wrote:: Sharing an exploit with other Battle Conquest players is forbidden.

Tell me that this isnt exploit.

The rules clearly states:

Runeslayer wrote:: Exploit any bug

The context of 'Exploit' in the sentence is to "Exploit a bug."¹ Since its not a bug, its not an exploit.

I already agreed its against the spirit of the game. However, that's not the same as exploiting a bug.

Ala wrote:: I hope such players will be banned.

I agree they should be stopped, and there are multiple ways:

Change the rules;
Changes similar to what I posted above.

However, overreacting by immediate banning is not good customer relations, and is not part of creating a good game & supportive community.

¹And logically the use of 'exploit' in the second sentence is based on the first sentence.

Posts : 141 Join date : 2013-12-21

thats the point it is not in the rules and it should be if devs dont want us to do

and there is simple line of defence for such pleyers there is no reward if ap differnece measured by the lower player is grather than let say:

25 ap in t1
35 ap in t3
50 ap in t4
70 ap in t5

and also there is no reward if more than 40% units flyed

Posts : 451 Join date : 2013-05-26

Pearl read rules again. There are separate sentences in one point with full stop at end.
Sentence:
Sharing an exploit with other Battle Conquest players is forbidden.

is very clear to me. Not only players get free resources but have high chance to get best frags in game.

This is cheating and rules allow to ban such players, however i belive warning would be enough or time ban for players who did it often.

Posts : 774 Join date : 2013-07-26

kuba_ wrote:: Pearl read rules again. There are separate sentences in one point with full stop at end.
Sentence:
Sharing an exploit with other Battle Conquest players is forbidden.

Kubasaka, I already answered that:

Pearl wrote:: And logically the use of 'exploit' in the second sentence is based on the first sentence.

Its a reasonable reading of the rules that exploit means to exploit a bug.

There is a need to be real careful here:

Two players will often PvP against each other a lot (since the community of PvPer's is so small;
If one person loses too much, he will ask changes from the other;
This happens a lot (like "don't bring Godlikes", or "don't bring cannons");
These adjustment will bring their win/lose ratio towards 50/50.

Its too easy to say this is "an exploit" and they "should be banned".

Think how many people would be banned under this -- when they reasonable believe they are just trying to have fun PvP ...

kuba_ wrote:: This is cheating and rules allow to ban such players, however i belive warning would be enough or time ban for players who did it often.

I agree its probably cheating (though I used the softer "against the spirit of the game").

Warnings are also something to be careful of; if a player feels they get unjustified warnings, they also react badly.

Again, the developer can change the rules, or implement changes in the game.

We all agree that players doing this gain an unfair advantage, the issue is how best to deal with the issue going forward.

Posts : 141 Join date : 2013-12-21

Exploit any bug you may discover. Sharing an exploit with other Battle Conquest players is forbidden. You are expected to report the bug to the Battle Conquest staff.

read whole thing that " exploit " is connected with thesame word in last sentece and that word is connected witth word bug all these word is in thesame acapit its so hard to make another acapit for another rule if devs dont want to having such thing in game ?

Posts : 451 Join date : 2013-05-26

Pyr, do you really do not understand that this is cheating?

Posts : 774 Join date : 2013-07-26

Since we are on this, I might as well add another common scenario:

Someone is offered a rare or epic fragment for doing a PvP quest;
They try to do Pvp & get stomped ... again .. and again .. and again ...
They then offer 1,000 gold (or if epic fragment, maybe even 5,000 gold) to someone to PvP them & let them win, so they can complete their quest.

Yes, this happens. I've seen it many times.

Posts : 451 Join date : 2013-05-26

so this is cheating too.

I once met similar situation when Fyrr offered gold (to cover healing cost) for pvp match. In that case this wasnt cheating because they fighted normaly. Venatorraptor offered gl frag for someone who can defeat him long time ago. That is normal situation.

And arrange pvp so one player can win and gather free resources, frags, conquest points and after in another match second player get that that is cheating.

I do not know who were doing that. I am not interested. Players got unfair advantage over others players. This is cheating and i do not change my opinion.

Posts : 141 Join date : 2013-12-21

kuba thats why i asked about it on forum because i got asked into that thing search the ruules and thet was not there so we tyed it but i am in diamond he is in olympus so we cant done that than i asked sombody else and he told me about that i can get banned in these sytuation so we pvped normally and i posted a qestion there

and if its not against the rules its not a cheat it may be against morality but not a cheat

cheat is something what is forbietten not only something enoyone conscience is telling that its wrong cheat have to be against clarified rules

and well i saw only rules on forum dont know if there are eny other one but i believe not

:edit: ehh i cant even post a reply normally i got a waring that someone write something too

The Unyielding Posts : 802 Join date : 2013-05-31

Ohh nice topic...

Hm, making this clear...

Pfft joyce... You're hardly a pvper.

Pearl wrote:: The expected winner offers to pay the expected loser (for the costs of "healing". Typical offers have been 1k or more).

I know such cases, same as kuba, it's not exactly exploiting imo, and I used to offer healcost at one point, because back then people got nothing if losing, and their typical excuse used to be 'i won't be able to heal, so i won't pvp'. Of course one side might have a higher chance of winning, but it's mostly because of gear/experience and not because of wanting to farm pvps.

Pearl wrote:: It won't match you up with the same player "too often"

fine, then we need at least a rewardless option to pvp someone.

Eg the last few weeks I've been pvping some great lighties and darkies, who win often, battles are enjoyable etc, fighting to death, tactics... End results can be something like 6 wins 5 losses... Is that exploiting too? If it is, then really, what's the point of pvping at all... If it's fair... why limit ourselves to 1-2 pvps at a time if we both want to kill each other over and over? I personally don't really enjoy fighting a pile of different people, most of them have boring pve-ish tactics. where is the line anyway? maybe even fighting someone with less experience is unfair?

The only true exploiting would be not fighting in the pvps, but really, fleeing off right away, no healcost, no thinking...

Pearl wrote:: They then offer 1,000 gold (or if epic fragment, maybe even 5,000 gold) to someone to PvP them & let them win, so they can complete their quest.

yup, ban everyone who has a perfect pvp quest for an epic frag and gets killed over and over in pvps and feels incapable of winning fairly (because he's not a skellie ;p), so offers to pay back.. once.. what about asking someone to give you mvp? happens all the time too...

the real issue is those people who publicly trade wins, who repeatedly flee off and boast about rewards (cough doom4).

Pyr wrote:: and also there is no reward if more than 40% units flyed

that seems pretty much the only good thing to implement - simple checking for kills/deaths or flee %. If almost no units die, then... now it's really hard to .. hmm.. catch.

Posts : 451 Join date : 2013-05-26

hmm i have slightly different definition for cheating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating

Posts : 141 Join date : 2013-12-21

kuba my english is not that good to get into english wikipedia but i think i know what you mean

and well life learned me that the best way is just read the rules and go on do everything what is not forbitten maby some day in a past my idea of cheating was thesame dont know but well i am who i am

Posts : 585 Join date : 2013-10-21

It is outrageous that you are even trying to discuss whether it is against the rules of the game or not. It is most certainly not allowed even if this situation you are exploiting is not explicetly mentioned.
The devs are working here on a good thing. Exploiting some existing flaws in the process of developing a good game with a very nice community is simply outrageous and doesn't need to be disabled by additional tier rules, which btw wouldn't prevent such things you were doing from happening.
In the distant future there will be a possibility to watch ongoing pvps as a spectator together with the wrath of the devs this should suffice to prevent those exploitations from happening.
As long as the spectator feature isn't implemented be sure about attentive players like us catching guys like you in the act.

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