The Suicide Challenge

Posts : 698 Join date : 2013-08-21

Unit level, not building level. Since max unit level was 15 the hard cap on unit AP was lower, also research did not impact AP cost.

5 unit levels x 10 units in the army + research modifier per unit .. we are talking about 500 AP difference that barracks do not offer.

Posts : 3124 Join date : 2012-11-13

Tibr wrote:: Currently AP is VERY MUCH off ballance. The AP limits from barracks are old, from times when the maximal level was 15.

At lvl 25 barracks you dont even get 3000 AP.

Since i dont have all research done yet i have to estimate the numbers for lvl 20 units, they get about +4 AP per level, and heroes +5 per level past 12, should be very close to the truth.

Elven Hi 280, Cav 335, Hero 120, Arti 250, average light unit 160.

Now try to make a useful combination.

How about 2 Hi, 2 Cav, 6 light units, 5 heroes - sounds ballanced and realistic.

At lvl 20 they would cost 2790 AP

And now remember they are still naked.

But you will face lvl 20 enemies that have to fullfill their difficulty expectations and gear their gear score ... being fully godlike. So the higher your units get the harder it becomes to run suicide? This cant be meant to happen. We have a HUGE flaw in the AP Barracks scaling, it has to go up by at least 20%. And we have not included special units into the equation.

Noooooooooooo....You are wrong..........There is no logic in what you said.....................We are always right..................Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Smile

Indeed... The AP values could use some love... Lemme work on that for a bit.

Posts : 698 Join date : 2013-08-21

Reminder

I would gladly put this on the high council super top list ... but this matters for suicide runners more than to anybody else. Nevertheless the AP require immediate attention.

Suicide running gets more than just suicidal as soon as your first unit hits lvl 15. Where is the whole point to run suicides if you have to downgrade to 8 units to equip them? Or drag naked lvl 1 units along (Pro tip, but dont ask .. you get inventive when the pressure rises, also sacrificing units to the gods midbattle cant be the expectation).

The rewards on insane with 10 units are probably barely worse and you can do those a lot easier. Please oh please with a cherry on the icecream give us more AP.
I personally cant even afford a single hero in the army and do suicides with 9 geared and 1 naked units already. And i am pretty sure the enemy has much more gearscore equipped than i do.

Posts : 331 Join date : 2013-05-02

Totally agree Tibr!

Posts : 3124 Join date : 2012-11-13

Already changed. Will be applied with the next update.

Posts : 698 Join date : 2013-08-21

- reserved for cheering when i see it -

Posts : 331 Join date : 2013-05-02

RuneSlayer wrote:: Already changed. Will be applied with the next update.

Thank you Rune!* Smile

*Any info about numbers?

Posts : 3124 Join date : 2012-11-13

If I am not mistaken (I don't have the data in front of me), currently lvl 25 Barracks has a 2850 AP limit. With the new change that will be around 4077.

Posts : 331 Join date : 2013-05-02

That sounds great!!!

Very Happy

Posts : 511 Join date : 2013-05-08 Location : Amber Shores

That is great news Smile

Posts : 451 Join date : 2013-05-26

I hope that difficulties with hard+ modes will also go up with this Smile

With so many items we need to shorten repair time or give us more repairs slot, cause i belive most players will not be able to use so many items for a long time.

Posts : 331 Join date : 2013-05-02

RuneSlayer wrote:: Already changed. Will be applied with the next update.

When will it go live?

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