Elven Naked melee testing.

Chip56 wrote:

Maybe we should scrap the "minimum 35% LIA, LI or archers" and instead use a "max 55% of any unit EXEPT LI".
That way you could use your 50% HI and arty army or 50% Arty and 50% cav without seeing 100% HI armies.

It's tempting... but they should keep it I think.

Do you really wanna face Vena full artillery+cav, or Fyrr full HI + cavs. I don't even wanna think about what Kuba and Dak could do after some testing.

Pretty sure it would lead to some really OP combination for some races.

Realf Lantow wrote:

LI *are* almost equal (if not entirely equal) to HI at the same AP value; but they're pretty much hitting max AP for them to even touch the same AP that an HI is putting out naked; especially once (if at all) AP caps for gear comes out. it's hard to put an LI over 200 AP with hero, it's not hard at all to put an HI at 350-400 AP geared with hero, and it's easy to put the same HI over 200 AP naked. Therefore in a true 1v1 fight (and not these contrived tests), there's really no chance of the LI actually having the same AP value.

Looking at the end of battle scoreboards, I have not found LI to be equal to HI. Its not even close in my case.

I almost always have my HINFs tank more units than my LINFs. The HINFs, kill at least twice as many units, and take fewer casualties too.

The difference may be stats. My units are usually geared in rares.

Chip56 wrote:

Maybe we should scrap the "minimum 35% LIA, LI or archers" and instead use a "max 55% of any unit EXEPT LI".
That way you could use your 50% HI and arty army or 50% Arty and 50% cav without seeing 100% HI armies.

They shouldn't scrap them because Nethack just explained why. Hegorn of course HI are supposed to be better than LI. They are heavy units as in more armor and stronger. That's why they cost more AP.

Scaren wrote:

Chip56 wrote:

Maybe we should scrap the "minimum 35% LIA, LI or archers" and instead use a "max 55% of any unit EXEPT LI".
That way you could use your 50% HI and arty army or 50% Arty and 50% cav without seeing 100% HI armies.

They shouldn't scrap them because Nethack just explained why. Hegorn of course HI are supposed to be better than LI. They are heavy units as in more armor and stronger. That's why they cost more AP.

Wasnt saying they should be. Saying that I havent found that to be true.

Hegorn wrote:

Realf Lantow wrote:

LI *are* almost equal (if not entirely equal) to HI at the same AP value; but they're pretty much hitting max AP for them to even touch the same AP that an HI is putting out naked; especially once (if at all) AP caps for gear comes out. it's hard to put an LI over 200 AP with hero, it's not hard at all to put an HI at 350-400 AP geared with hero, and it's easy to put the same HI over 200 AP naked. Therefore in a true 1v1 fight (and not these contrived tests), there's really no chance of the LI actually having the same AP value.

Looking at the end of battle scoreboards, I have not found LI to be equal to HI. Its not even close in my case.

I almost always have my HINFs tank more units than my LINFs. The HINFs, kill at least twice as many units, and take fewer casualties too.

The difference may be stats. My units are usually geared in rares.

re-read my statement- LI are almost equal by AP. in other words, if I have a naked HI running around, and a geared LI (with the same AP) they're going to do about as much, offensively and defensively both.

I know it's not about the gameplay but,

Could we think about seeing the name in the queue ? or at least choose our opponent. There are many sniping. The risk if more in 2v2 if someone is reading the chat and just decide to go in queue.

Necropost \o/