Walls blocking support influence

Here Prism is supporting Polish Warriors on #51:



However, fighting on #51 blocks 1.3 influence (its 6.8 instead of 8.1)

It could be "working as intended" since a wall is kinda dumb; and maybe not smart enough to see it "friendly influence" (and thus not block it).

Just thought I would mention it, in case its considered a bug.

NOTE: Picture is two pictures pasted together.

Seems like a bug now Joyce. We'll take a look at it.

Thanks for reporting,
Xargos

To follow on from this.

It appears that friendly CP's on a faction hex (ie. Defending the hex), are damaging the defences\wall built on that hex?

XViper wrote:

To follow on from this.

It appears that friendly CP's on a faction hex (ie. Defending the hex), are damaging the defences\wall built on that hex?

yes, for example, made a battle in 41, and 7 cps(the image is blurred, sorry, but it says 7 cps) went to the wall:


the guild that owns the hex is the unceasing auxiliare, which my guild has no formal treaty.

now it gets weird, i hit region 44 and the same 7cps going for wall, but the region has no wall!!! clearly a bug, but how?

nathor wrote:

yes, for example, made a battle in 41, and 7 cps(the image is blurred, sorry, but it says 7 cps) went to the wall.

the guild that owns the hex is the unceasing auxiliare, which my guild has no formal treaty.

My understanding is:

1. The wall took the equivalent of 7 conquest points worth of damage (i..e: the wall went down in strength); however the wall did not block any conquest points (you still got 71 conquest points).
   
   
2. If you had a military command on #41, then the wall would have blocked 0.7% influence [same faction walls block influence; different faction walls block conquest points].
   
   
3. Click on this link: Wall affects for details on why this is my understanding, after extensive testing.
   

NOTE: As I understand it, the bug we are reporting here is that wall of the same faction takes the equivalent of 7 conquest points in damage, when it is not blocking influence.

NOTE #2: I have no idea if treaties affect walls, will test that soon!

now i even get cps lost when hitting the regions of my own guild. its very strange:

Joyce wrote:

nathor wrote:

yes, for example, made a battle in 41, and 7 cps(the image is blurred, sorry, but it says 7 cps) went to the wall.

the guild that owns the hex is the unceasing auxiliare, which my guild has no formal treaty.

My understanding is:

1. The wall took the equivalent of 7 conquest points worth of damage (i..e: the wall went down in strength); however the wall did not block any conquest points (you still got 71 conquest points).
   
   
2. If you had a military command on #41, then the wall would have blocked 0.7% influence [same faction walls block influence; different faction walls block conquest points].
   
   
3. Click on this link: Wall affects for details on why this is my understanding, after extensive testing.
   

NOTE: As I understand it, the bug we are reporting here is that wall of the same faction takes the equivalent of 7 conquest points in damage, when it is not blocking influence.

NOTE #2: I have no idea if treaties affect walls, will test that soon!

my bug is different, but very weird, i hit regions without wall, including of my own guild and i lose CP's to an unexisting wall?!?

nathor wrote:

now i even get cps lost when hitting the regions of my own guild. its very strange:

My understanding:

• Its influence lost, not conquest points lost [when wall is of the same faction, as obviously a region of the same guild would be of the same faction].
  
  
• Thus you lost 1.3% influence, still got your stanard 86 conquest points; and the wall took the equivalent damage of 13 conquest points.
  

nathor wrote:

my bug is different, but very weird, i hit regions without wall, including of my own guild and i lose CP's to an unexisting wall?!?

Hmm, I havn't seen that!  Can't really test it, yet, as no walls on light side have been knocked down (well one was, but was rebuilt).

*runs of to knock down a light side wall, so as to test this ...*

All areas without walls [i.e.: that never had one ever] ... do not seem to exhibit this behavior.

Nathor ... was this region a region that previously had a wall?

Joyce wrote:

nathor wrote:

my bug is different, but very weird, i hit regions without wall, including of my own guild and i lose CP's to an unexisting wall?!?

Hmm, I havn't seen that!  Can't really test it, yet, as no walls on light side have been knocked down (well one was, but was rebuilt).

*runs of to knock down a light side wall, so as to test this ...*

All areas without walls [i.e.: that never had one ever] ... do not seem to exhibit this behavior.

Nathor ... was this region a region that previously had a wall?

yes, it had a wall very recently, it was 49. but also 44, that lost a wall already some time ago.

Going back to region 41 where there used to be a wall and currently is not;

I have done several GW co-ops on the tile and each time i lose 7 out of 73-79 total CP to a wall that doesn't exist and if it did...I WOULD BE DEFENDING IT! not attacking.

PS. Cant type in in-game chat for 2 days now.

This bug is fixed and will be applied with the next patch. Additionally, the defense damage frame has been changed a bit to avoid confusion.

Defenses should not be damaged when defending the ruling guild of a region in GW, or defending your faction.

Xargos

I am still losing CP to walls on my guilds own territory that i am defending. seems to happen exclusively with co-ops and we are referring to 53 where it just happened, but also on the other Unceasing Aux. tiles as well.

Broodzero wrote:

I am still losing CP to walls on my guilds own territory that i am defending. seems to happen exclusively with co-ops and we are referring to 53 where it just happened, but also on the other Unceasing Aux. tiles as well.

I just confirmed this.

Solo's on territory of the guild I am in, the walls work correctly, and do not block influence or conquest points.

For cooperative (with a defense command on #61) it is block BOTH influence & conquest points! [walls on same side never used to block conquest points before]:

Before #61:



A cooperative fight on #61:



Result of cooperative on #61:



Notice the wall did *NOT* take any damage!!! (It stayed at 42.63%).

However my conquest points was decreased from 99 to 84 (the +84 is floating into the box on picture #83, and it ended up at 13099 there [+84 from the 13015 there]).

P.S.: I'm a member of Prism, the current guild in control of #61, so these are experiments with a defense command & cooperative.

Hmm, a fight on #52 (under control of the dark red meanies):



I, from the cool blue team, do a cooperative fight on #52:



Notice the walls block nothing!

Summary:

1. Solo defense of same guild - walls do not block - correct
   
2. Cooperative defense of same guild - walls block - should not block (see previous reply)
   
3. Solo attack on the opposite faction - walls block - correct
   
4. Cooperative attack on the opposite faction - walls do NOT block - should block
   

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There has been a bug with the players' commands, hence in some cases defenses are not triggered. This has already been fixed and will be applied with the next patch!

Thank Joyce.
Xargos